This site is dedicated to protecting the peaceful environment currently enjoyed by the residents of Quarry Road and the surrounding area.
Our goal is to prevent Oot Bros. from obtaining a Special Use Permit for mining on agricultural property on Quarry Road.

1.8.2009

ZBA Meeting

7pm

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12.11.2008

*Open Hearing*

ZBA Meeting 

7pm

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12.3.2008

*Open Hearing*

Town Board Mtg.  

7pm

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11.13.2008

ZBA Meeting

7pm

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10.13.2008

Planning Board Mtg

7:30pm

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9.8.2008

Planning Board Mtg

7:30pm

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8.8.2008

Town law overturned

by Judge Dowd

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12.4.2007

Lawsuit hearing in

Chenango County Court

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8.31.2007

Lawsuit hearing in

Madison County Court

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6.22.2007

Post Standard: "Sullivan

could face lawsuit..."

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6.20.2007

C-B Times:

"Appeal Denied"

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6.20.2007

Town Board mtg

9:00am

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6.14.2007

ZBA meeting

7:30pm

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6.6.2007

Town Board hearing

re: Law change

7:00pm

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5.16.2007

Town Board mtg

9:00am

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5.3.2007

ZBA meeting

7:00pm

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4.17.2007

"Battle over

Sullivan quarry..."

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4.11.2007

C-B Times:

"ZBA between

rock, hard place"

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4.5.2007

Public hearing

re: zoning of Oot's

property - ZBA

7:30pm

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3.28.2007

C-B Times: "Kinne:

Mining Not Permitted"

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3.8.2007

ZBA Meeting

regarding zoning

of Oot's property

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[Please note: The latest updates will appear at the bottom of the page.]

On April 30, 2004, Thomas Oot, President of OOT BROS., INC., submitted an Application for a Special Use Permit (see the Documents page) to the Town of Sullivan, New York.  This application requested permission to mine parcel 59.-1-59 on Quarry Road.  The parcel includes approximately 93.5 acres on the eastern side of the road and stretches into the Town of Lincoln as well.  

The first public hearing, to our knowledge, regarding this matter was held on October 9, 2006, at the Town of Sullivan Office Building at 7:00pm.  Despite the minimal notice, the neighborhood spread the word and the hearing was well attended by many opponents to Mr. Oot's proposal.

One important question that requires an answer from the Planning Board: What is the current zoning of parcel 59.-1-59?  Our answer: AGRICULTURAL.  Based on the current zoning map, all land east of Quarry Road is agricultural.  Mining is NOT a permitted use of agricultural land, even with a Special Permit.  The 2005 Tax Rolls state that parcel 59.-1-59 is classified as code 240, Rural Residential.

Although he stated in his Environmental Assessment Form that the property is in fact "Agricultural," Mr. Oot then stated at the October 9 hearing that it is "Industrial."  Which is it?  Upon further review, it appears that he is questioning the zoning situation from the 1970s.

A mining permit has already been approved by the DEC for this property.  We learned on October 9, that a public comment period was held for one month prior to April 7, 2006.  Why wasn't the public informed?

We - the community affected by this application - wonder:

  • Is Mr. Oot trying to get the application approved secretly without informing the community?

  • Is Mr. Oot trying to bend zoning laws and town laws?

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As discussed at the November 13, 2006, Planning Board meeting, the Application for a Special Use Permit is "on hold."  The public hearing - adjourned from October 9, 2006 - was closed after additional comments from residents and a lawyer on behalf of the concerned residents.  Thomas Oot did not attend the meeting.  Until a determination is made regarding the zoning of Mr. Oot's property, a decision cannot be made by the Planning Board.

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Some confusion still seems to exist regarding the connection between Mr. Oot's property and the existing quarry.  They are separate properties with different owners and different permits.  The existing quarry, owned by Callanan Industries, has an active mining permit, but has been mostly idle for several years.

The property owned by Mr. Oot is northeast of the existing Callanan quarry and on the opposite side of the road.  Mr. Oot seems to be attempting to persuade everyone that his proposal is for a quarry that "has been there for 150 years."  However, the operational quarry that perhaps has been running for those 150 years is on the other side of the road!

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December 14, 2006: Thomas Oot submitted an "Application for an Interpretation" to the Zoning Board of Appeals (ZBA).  See the Documents page to review the Application.  He is questioning the "extent of boundaries on existing Industrial Zone located on Quarry Road."

The Town of Sullivan Zoning Law and Zoning Map (also available on the Documents page) indicate that an Industrial Zone exists on the west side of Quarry Road.  The Zoning Law states: "A third industrial district encompasses the stone/rock quarry located west of Quarry Road.  The boundaries of this district are intended to be the property lines of the quarry owner."  Mr. Oot's property is located on the EAST side of Quarry Road, therefore it cannot logically be included in a zone that is restricted to the WEST side.  A resolution passed by the Town of Sullivan in 1972 provides a more explicit description of the property that was rezoned from Agricultural to Industrial.  It describes property only on the WEST side of Quarry Road.  Mr. Oot's property is not included in the Industrial zone; It was - and still is - zoned Agricultural.

A public hearing is expected to be held at the March 8, 2007, Zoning Board of Appeals meeting.  All concerned residents are encouraged to attend.

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A public hearing was not held at the March 8, 2007, ZBA meeting; however a discussion regarding Thomas Oot's property did occur.  His "Application for an Interpretation" preceded an actual determination by the Zoning Enforcement Officer (ZEO), so the ZBA could not act upon his request.  A statement was then made by the ZEO which affirmed that Mr. Oot's property is currently zoned Agricultural and that mining is not a permissible use of Agricultural property.  Mr. Oot responded by submitting a second "Application for an Interpretation."  A public hearing regarding this application is scheduled for April 5, 2007 at 7:30 pm.

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A lengthy public hearing was held at the April 5, 2007, ZBA meeting.  The board may take up to two months to make a decision about Thomas Oot's appeal.

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The Zoning Board discussed whether mining is permitted in an agricultural zone at the May 3, 2007, meeting.  It appears that they have concluded that Thomas Oot's property is, in fact, in an agricultural zone.  The meeting was adjourned until the June ZBA meeting.

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May 16, 2007: Town Board meeting, the Board voted to hold a public hearing regarding a proposed Zoning Law clarification.  The proposal would define mining/quarrying per the DEC definition and limit it to Industrial Zones by special use permit.  The public hearing was set for June 6th.

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The Town Board held the public hearing on June 6th to discuss the proposed Law change.  No attendees spoke in opposition and the Board voted unanimously in favor of the change.  Mining/quarrying will now be limited to special Mining Districts by special use permit.  The Zoning Law change will be in effect on June 8th when it is filed with New York State.

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June 14, 2007: the Zoning Board of Appeals voted 3-2 to DENY the appeal of Thomas Oot.  Where does it go from here?  Ideally, nowhere.  ...But realistically, Thomas Oot may elect to appeal the decision made by the ZBA to Madison County.  ...OR....  He could apply to the Town Board for a zone change as he should have done in the first place!

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Since the June 20, 2007, Town Board meeting, the newspapers have printed that Thomas Oot intends to sue the Town of Sullivan.  For what I wonder?  For not giving him preferential treatment?

Mr. Oot knew from the onset of his project that he needed to be in an industrial zone and that he needed a special use permit.  He also knew – as evidenced by his signature on the Full Environmental Assessment Form to the DEC – that the property he intended to quarry was located in an agricultural zone.  Despite the fact that Mr. Oot has changed his story several times as it suited him best, the process has come full circle back to the point at which it started: He should have filed for a zone change.  Why didn’t he do this originally?  Because he knew it likely wouldn’t be approved.  Instead he dragged everyone through hearing after hearing where he first insisted that his property was already in an industrial zone, then suddenly (since it was obvious that no one was believing that his property was industrial) HE decided that mining was a permitted use in an agricultural zone (which it is not).  

Now the newspaper reported that the “board declines to discuss zone change request.”  How can they decline to discuss a request that has never been requested?  No, they did not refuse to discuss a zone change; however they did refuse to listen to Mr. Oot’s complaints about a law change that had already been opened for a public hearing.  Mr. Oot could have attended the public hearing.  But he didn’t.  He could have voiced his opposition to the new law.  But he didn’t.  The Town Board had no reason to listen to his opinion after the hearing was closed.  The law change was approved.  The new law was filed.

I could stop here, but there are some other claims of Mr. Oot that I find difficult to believe.  Here are two of them.  (The quotes are taken from the June 22nd Post Standard Article.)

  • "(T)he land was mined in the early 1900s."  What land?  Not his!  I do not have the records of when the Worlock Stone Company began mining, but if there were any mining activities in the early 1900s they were on THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD.  Mr. Oot does not own the property on the west side; only on the east side.  An aerial image I have seen that was dated in the 1930s provided no evidence of mining on his property.

  • "(Oot) says he needs limestone for his ongoing housing developments..."  Although I do not doubt that he will use some of the limestone for his local projects, the proposed usage of the stone for those projects is only one-fifth of the total he intends to blast out of the hills on Quarry Road.  According to his Final Environmental Impact Statement, Mr. Oot anticipates to remove approximately 250,000 tons of stone annually.  Only 50,000 tons is expected to be used for his projects.  I believe there is only one reason Mr. Oot desires to start a quarry: TO MAKE MONEY.  Of course, there is the added perk of having cheap stone for his local projects (...which also means more money...).  The money he makes will be at the expense of the people living in the vicinity of his quarry. 

That is enough rambling from me for today...

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August 31, 2007: Lawsuit of Subdivisions, Inc vs. Town of Sullivan was brought before Judge Dennis McDermott of Madison County Supreme Court.  He will not be making a decision; case is moved to Chenango County Court.

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December 4, 2007: Lawsuit was brought before Judge Kevin M. Dowd of Chenango County Court.  He has 60 days to make a decision.

 

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August 8, 2008: Judge Dowd made the decision to reverse Local Law 1 of the Town of Sullivan Zoning Law

 

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September 8, 2008: Town of Sullivan Planning Board tabled the quarry discussion.

 

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October 4, 2008 :The Town of Sullivan Planning Board is due to render a decision on whether or not to issue a Special Use Permit to MINE on Agricultural Land. The Town’s own Laws state that this is NOT a permissible use on Agriculturally Zoned Land. If the Planning Board does go against it’s own laws and issue Mr. Oot a Special Use Permit to MINE, they will not only be against the wishes and well being of  hundreds of the town's citizens, but also be setting a PRECEDENT that will allow MINING on any AGRICULTURALLY ZONED PARCEL OF LAND within the Town of Sullivan!

Do you live in an area where there is FARM LAND and ROCK? RIDGE RD., EAST LAKE RD., RT. 173, SALT SPRINGS RD., PERRYVILLE RD., , ETC….. Then you could end up with a Quarry in YOUR backyard. The Village of Chittenango will become the next MINING TOWN.

At this very moment you can go to the Chittenango Library and see in the Draft Environmental Impact Survey (DEIS), a map that shows “POSSIBLE CONSOLIDATED QUARRIES”. This consolidation shows three different quarries merging. There are THREE parcels of land right now, owned by Quarries. So, you see what SOMEONE is already planning for our community.

We need to ask our Planning Board Members exactly what motivates them to even contemplate breaking their own laws. Can you think of any reasons our Planning Board would not put its Community before three business men? What right do they have to destroy our Town? Is MONEY the bottom line?

Please show your opposition by contacting each Planning Board member and attend the next Planning Board meeting.

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December 3, 2008:  Town Board Meeting *OPEN HEARING*  concerning  New Local Law 7.  This is an Amendment to Local Law 3 from 1979.7pm  The Town Board is trying to clarify it's Zoning Laws and they need input from its citizens on the Regulation and Location of Mining Activities.

This was our chance to tell the Town Board Members what our concerns are as far as locations of mining activities, water supply protection, traffic concerns, safety issues, property values, etc.

According to the latest edition of the Chitt./B'port Times, Attorney Scott Chatfield has specified what course of action the Town should be taking.  He states "Legally, the planning board does not have the right to ask the ZBA to make a decision and no resolution should occur on Nov. 13th."  That being said, the rest of the article goes on to tell how the Town is trying to Re-enact the Law Judge Dowd struck down including changes with respect to items Judge Dowd had problems with. This "New" law will have the added language that any use not specifically permitted is PROHIBITED.

One of the points Mr. Chatfield states, "is that the simplest way to resolve this issue is to call the applicants and tell them to ask the CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER (Phil Costanzo) whether mining is permissible under law in the Town of Sullivan.  If he says, "Yes", the applicants won't be aggrieved, but the neighbors might be.  If he says, "No", then the applicants can appeal."

At any rate, we need to FLOOD  the ZBA Meeting with our presence!  Please attend with all your family members and pass the word to as many neighbors as possible. 

Chairman of the Planning Board, Frank Park stated that the Planning Board has one last question to be answered before it can make a decision....."IS MINING A PERMISSIBLE ACTIVITY IN AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE?"  This question will be answered by the Zoning Board of Appeals. 

It seems that Mr. Oot is trying to get his Special Use Permit by pushing the issue that "if it's not PROHIBITED, it must then be PERMITTED".  We beg to differ!  Nuclear Power Plants aren't stated as PROHIBITED either, and that would have a hard time passing under "Special Use Permit"! (One  would hope anyway)....Our point is this...Mining via BLASTING is a drastically different way of obtaining minerals than EXCAVATION is.

Contact the ZBA members and tell them you oppose this quarry. If the Town allows Mining in an Ag. Zone, they will have removed themselves as the  authority to control where and how Mining in the Town of Sullivan occurs.  The Town of Sullivan will be "OPEN FOR ANY QUARRY, ANYWHERE".

 The next Zoning Board of Appeals meeting is set for  Thursday, November 13, 2008 at 7pm.

 Until then, please contact all the Zoning Board of Appeals members by letter or call them to express your STRONG OPPOSITION!

Update on Town Board Meeting:

Proposed Local Law 7 has been passed.  (Now called Local Law 6).

This Law more clearly defines the differences between the Mining of Rock (Quarry) and the Mining of  minerals, such as gravel, peat, soil, etc. (excavation).  The law will allow the Town Board to decide where and how Mining will take place in the Town of Sullivan.  This is a good thing for all.  Though it may not directly affect Oot's application, it may require a Zone Change application to the Town Board.  We will have to wait and see what the outcome of the ZBA's decision is on Thursday, Dec. 11th, 7pm.

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  December 11th, 2008:  Decision tabled until next month....Mr. Henry talked for an eternity about the 1979 law and all the way back to the 1950's!  Apparently, Mr. Henry believes the part where Oot has the right to mine was "inadvertently left out" back in 1979!  Mr. Henry just sealed his position....Oot, Oot, Oot.  Anyway, despite everyone else there, including the lawyers, trying to keep the ZBA in the present, they felt it necessary to table the decision for yet another month.

 

February 15, 2009

The ZBA has voted... 

Mining is not permissible in an Agricultural Zone under the 1979 legislation, either with or without the issuance of a special permit.

Local Law 6: "Mineral Resource Uses" are not permissible in an Agricultural Zone under Local Law 6, either with or without the issuance of a special permit.

  Results of Polled Votes Taken:

  Cliff Reals: NO

  Kenneth Katzenstein: Yes

 Cecilia Berene: Yes

 Michael Keville: Yes

Steve Durfee:  No     

                                                                                                                                                                                     

Update: April 7, 2010

During the Town Board meeting of April 7th, 2010, Supervisor John Becker told us that Judge Cerio had made a decision on the latest lawsuit. See Documents. Part of Judge Cerio's decision "Vacated and Annulled" the decision of the ZBA from January 8th, 2009.  This means the ZBA must conduct a new hearing with respect to the interpretation addressing the question of whether the Town of Sullivan Zoning Law of 1979, as amended and in effect at the time of the application of Petitioners, prohibits mining and/or quarrying on the property of the Petitioners.

Simply put...we're back to the beginning.   

Thursday, April 8th, 2010

At the ZBA meeting the board told us they will have a Public Hearing on May 13th, 2010 at 7 pm.

Once again, we need as many concerned citizens from all around the Town of Sullivan to attend this meeting and express your OBJECTION to this new quarry! 

The residents of the Town of Sullivan, Town of Lincoln and Town of Lenox will be impacted by this proposed quarry.   

Mr. Oot and his partners, R. Benevento and J. Johnson have now sued the Town of Sullivan FIVE times.  It's obvious that the sole intention of these lawsuits is to get their permit to mine by exhausting our Town of monies.

We the people, need to stand up for our right to say NO.  We decide what quality of life we want for our neighborhoods, towns and villages.

The purpose of our local government...to stand for the people!

 

   

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